From mark at foster.cc Sat Jan 2 16:56:03 2010 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Sat Jan 2 16:53:08 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] GSLUG meeting reminder Message-ID: <4B3FEB23.6080606@foster.cc> The next Greater Seattle LINUX User Group (GSLUG) meeting is next saturday @ 12 noon. The meeting location is the Google offices in Fremont. Follow the URL below for more details. This months topic is Multimedia. Please RSVP if you will attend & sign up for a talk if there is something you'd like to share with the group. Hope to see you there! From kline at thought.org Mon Jan 4 18:58:20 2010 From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline) Date: Mon Jan 4 19:13:05 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Qwest trouble? or?? Message-ID: <20100105025818.GA60744@thought.org> People, Events for the past several weeks such as very slow traffic incoming and outgoing from my domain are still happening. I even bought a Smart UPS to make sure that my main server and firewall, pfSense, would remain up during the kinds of brief power-out (a fraction of a second to a couple minutes). AFAICT, my computers are working. Have any of the rest of this list seen brief snafus, like being suddenly disconnected? or the interruption of data transfer? At least three times some of my connections have timed out? thanks for any insights. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.79a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From mjevans1983 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 23:21:41 2010 From: mjevans1983 at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Mon Jan 4 23:18:44 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Qwest trouble? or?? In-Reply-To: <20100105025818.GA60744@thought.org> References: <20100105025818.GA60744@thought.org> Message-ID: <4877c76c1001042321m5e617f9ancb6b227cfeb1035f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > ? ? ? ?People, > > ? ? ? ?Events for the past several weeks such as very slow traffic incoming > ? ? ? ?and outgoing from my domain are still happening. ?I even bought a Smart > ? ? ? ?UPS to make sure that my main server and firewall, pfSense, would > ? ? ? ?remain up during the kinds of brief power-out (a fraction of a second > ? ? ? ?to a couple minutes). ?AFAICT, my computers are working. ?Have any of > ? ? ? ?the rest of this list seen brief snafus, like being suddenly > ? ? ? ?disconnected? ?or the interruption of data transfer? ?At least three > ? ? ? ?times some of my connections have timed out? > > ? ? ? ?thanks for any insights. > > -- > ?Gary Kline ?kline@thought.org ?http://www.thought.org ?Public Service Unix > ? ? ? ?http://jottings.thought.org ? http://transfinite.thought.org > ? ?The 7.79a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > I've noticed connections sporadically interrupted; sometimes detected by wget, other times not (it just hangs forever, but I suspect that MIGHT be because of EasyNews's boost-4 method). I don't know if the pathetic DNS is Quest's fault, or the inherent latency of DSL. From kline at thought.org Tue Jan 5 14:36:24 2010 From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline) Date: Tue Jan 5 14:33:35 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Qwest trouble? or?? In-Reply-To: <4877c76c1001042321m5e617f9ancb6b227cfeb1035f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100105025818.GA60744@thought.org> <4877c76c1001042321m5e617f9ancb6b227cfeb1035f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100105223624.GA63983@thought.org> On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 11:21:41PM -0800, Michael Evans wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > ? ? ? ?People, > > > > ? ? ? ?Events for the past several weeks such as very slow traffic incoming > > ? ? ? ?and outgoing from my domain are still happening. ?I even bought a Smart > > ? ? ? ?UPS to make sure that my main server and firewall, pfSense, would > > ? ? ? ?remain up during the kinds of brief power-out (a fraction of a second > > ? ? ? ?to a couple minutes). ?AFAICT, my computers are working. ?Have any of > > ? ? ? ?the rest of this list seen brief snafus, like being suddenly > > ? ? ? ?disconnected? ?or the interruption of data transfer? ?At least three > > ? ? ? ?times some of my connections have timed out? > > > > ? ? ? ?thanks for any insights. > > > > -- > > ?Gary Kline ?kline@thought.org ?http://www.thought.org ?Public Service Unix > > ? ? ? ?http://jottings.thought.org ? http://transfinite.thought.org > > ? ?The 7.79a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > > I've noticed connections sporadically interrupted; sometimes detected > by wget, other times not (it just hangs forever, but I suspect that > MIGHT be because of EasyNews's boost-4 method). > > I don't know if the pathetic DNS is Quest's fault, or the inherent > latency of DSL. The two kinds of troubles I've seen--and one of my own users--are being dropped (if you're connected via a Windows computer to a remote site, say downtown, would you see some notification on-screen?), and the timeouts. My KDE Konqueror pops up a dialog with the timeout warning. Of course the s-l-o-w traffic is at least annoying. FWIW, these problems only began cropping up since last September (if that long ago). Definitely since mid- to -late October. But that's only informational. My question is:: what to do? (if anything)? Is there any way of tracking this down? More to the point, are there other services? thanks. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.79a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From vernon at drizzle.com Wed Jan 6 19:25:05 2010 From: vernon at drizzle.com (Vernon Van Steenkist) Date: Wed Jan 6 19:22:08 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Qwest trouble? or?? In-Reply-To: <20100106200005.BED3D86D@drowsy.ifokr.org> References: <20100106200005.BED3D86D@drowsy.ifokr.org> Message-ID: <40367.216.162.218.13.1262834705.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:36:24 -0800 > From: Gary Kline > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Qwest trouble? or?? > To: Michael Evans > Cc: Linux General > Message-ID: <20100105223624.GA63983@thought.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > [...] I use Qwest for DSL and I have had no issues and I maintain 24/7 connections and have not been seeing any timeouts. I do NOT use Qwest as an ISP. Note that you do not need to use Qwest as an ISP if you have Qwest DSL. With regard to DNS latency, why not run your own DNS? Lookups get cached on your local network DNS so you get much better lookup performance. Plus ISP DNS's can get beat on pretty hard and may not always respond immediately. I have always run my own DNS just for those reasons. From andrew.kvalheim at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 15:36:24 2010 From: andrew.kvalheim at gmail.com (Andrew Kvalheim) Date: Sat Jan 9 15:39:31 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Fwd: [Fest-list] Linuxfest Northwest 2010 Website now live! In-Reply-To: <337BB29C-DA61-492A-A0CA-3A65F948496B@jademicrosystems.com> References: <337BB29C-DA61-492A-A0CA-3A65F948496B@jademicrosystems.com> Message-ID: <152aefdf1001091536w2333acffwe846c0568bde7374@mail.gmail.com> Came up during today's meeting: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jakob Perry Date: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 16:48 Subject: [Fest-list] Linuxfest Northwest 2010 Website now live! To: blug-list@peakserv.com Cc: linuxfests@maggie.socallinuxexpo.org, "BLUG .org group mailing list" < org@lists.blug.org>, Linux Fest Discussion The LinuxFest Northwest organizing committee is pleased to announce the new LinuxFest Northwest website to kick off the countdown for the 2010 festival! Take a look around the site, as it is drastically different from years past. Attendee participation is a key theme for this year?s fest. *http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/* The fest will be taking place *April 24th, 25th 2010 in Bellingham, WA. The site this year has been redesigned in Drupal, allowing us to do some pretty cool things, including:* Community Input for sessions: All sessions will be submitted via the website, and available for public viewing. Session authors can update their sessions at will, and people can select if a particular session is something they're interested in attending. If there are more sessions than spots to fill, the staff will choose sessions partially based on what people are thinking of attending. Online billpay for Sponsorship and Exhibit booths: You can now create a sponsorship and exhibit booth and pay online automatically! For those who don't use a CC/paypal, you can submit a PO number, and we will process your order similar to years past. As always, t*he fest for attendees is free. *Sponsors and Exhibitors help keep this event free for attendees every year. Online IRC, forums, ride share, etc: We're really hitting hard the ability for attendees to get to know each other and plan ahead before the event. We hope the site will be a gathering place before the event so we can build a larger community than just the two days we're together. Get online soon and chat with your fellow colleagues! Twitter/social networking: continuing from years past, we have setup our LFNW twitter feed, @lfnw. People are suggested to use #lfnw hash tags if they're talking about us. Post-event networking: Our plan this year is to have video, images, audio, and other media associated with presentations easily available on the site after the fest concludes. The site is setup so that each year will be archived and easily available for all to see. We hope you'll make time for the event. Tell your friends and signup online at http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/ See you there! Jakob Perry Linuxfest Northwest Organizing Committee member http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/ _______________________________________________ Fest-list mailing list Fest-list@peakserv.com https://www.peakserv.com/mailman/listinfo/fest-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20100109/271f48f3/attachment.htm From john_re at fastmail.us Mon Jan 11 04:15:05 2010 From: john_re at fastmail.us (giovanni_re) Date: Mon Jan 11 04:12:11 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] TONIGHT Join 5-6P Mon 11th - 1st Evening Meeting test IRC & VOIP online Linux at BerkeleyTIP-Global - for forwarding Message-ID: <1263212105.4794.1354001243@webmail.messagingengine.com> You're invited to the first test of the Global Linux bimonthly evening meetings, BerkeleyTIP-Global. :) Join in tonight, Monday Jan 11, 5-6P Pacific, 8-9P Eastern, = Tues Jan 12 1A-2A UTC. http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/schedule On #berkeleytip on irc.freenode.net, & on voip - whatever is working - try btip server first. http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance This will be an online only meeting - no in person meeting at UCB. Hot topics: Community Leadership Summit review of interesting sessions, Spring 2010 efforts for UCB & all UC's & all college activities, Upcoming KDE conference end of next week, for 1 week, in Los Angeles. What do _you_ want to discuss? == Some people have asked for an evening meeting, because: a) they can't make weekend meetings, b) they want more BTIP-Global. ;) So, this will be a test, everyone invited, to see if we can make this work. == BerkeleyTIP-Global is the Global All Free SW HW & Culture meeting online via VOIP. http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/ Join the global mailing list, say "hi", & what you're interested in. :) http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal For Forwarding: You are invited to forward this announcement wherever it might be appreciated. From kacoroski at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 09:56:15 2010 From: kacoroski at gmail.com (Ski Kacoroski) Date: Mon Jan 11 10:01:14 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Hyper-V talk on Thursday, 7pm Message-ID: <4B4B663F.1040406@gmail.com> Hi, Seattle Area System Administrators Guild (www.sasag.org) along with the League of Professional System Administrators (www.lopsa.org) invite you to a talk on Microsoft's Hyper-V technology (yes it does run Linux guests). Details are: Subject: An introduction to Microsoft Hyper-V for System Admins Presenter: Dan Griffin Gotten your hands dirty with Microsoft Hyper-V yet? If not, this talk will give you plenty of virtual rope. Even if you have, we?ll build on the basics by discussing advanced topics such as clustering, disaster recovery, and System Center Virtual Machine Manager. Dan Griffin, the founder of JW Secure, Inc. and Restorify, LLC, is a Microsoft Enterprise Security MVP. He previously spent seven years working on smart cards and cryptography for Microsoft while on the Windows Security development team. He has published several articles on Windows security software development and is a frequent speaker at security conferences. Dan holds a Masters degree in Computer Science from the University of Washington and a Bachelors degree in CS from Indiana University. There will be dinner sponsored by Silicon Mechanics. Check them out at http://www.siliconmechanics.com/ There will also be several CACert assurers present. The meeting will be at the Electrical Engineering building on the University of Washington Campus, aka EE1. Directions are linked to the EE Department's web site below. Parking is $6 after 4pm. Date: January 14th, 2010 Time: 7pm Place: EE1 Building (Electrical Engineering) Room 403 University of Washington Campus Directions: http://www.ee.washington.edu/contact.html cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, kacoroski@gmail.com, 206-501-9803 or ski98033 on most IM services From passonno at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 17:33:20 2010 From: passonno at gmail.com (Anthony Passonno) Date: Mon Jan 11 17:35:24 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? Message-ID: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, I have been(not currently) a Linux user for probably the better part of ten years, off and on, and I would like to request some assistance. I am a musician, and as such, require that my pro audio external card work well, and at all supported bitrates. I am currently running a retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium, but am at the point where I am tired of fighting. Here's the issue: I have an external hd, which I use to store music, movies, backups, and my own musical creations. Every time I attempt to copy files to one folder or another, I am required to answer a UAC prompt, or frankly ANY file operations. To say that the Windows security model is obscure would be an understatement, as many times today I was wishing I could just open an xterm and chmod everything to 777 and be done with it. So, my humble request is thus: I enjoy using Linux(prefer Ubuntu) as an everyday OS, but I need to be able to use a few different win32 programs that I would not want to relegate to Wine(and I don't think they would work well anyway). I would need help coming up with a plan, possibly including winxp seamless mode or something in vmware. Any advice? Thanks, Anthony Passonno -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20100111/4d6fa479/attachment.html From mjevans1983 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 18:54:11 2010 From: mjevans1983 at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Mon Jan 11 18:51:08 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4877c76c1001111854s215ca447w62ab9a2865255c27@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Anthony Passonno wrote: > Hi there, > > I have been(not currently) a Linux user for probably the better part of ten > years, off and on, and I would like to request some assistance. > > I am a musician, and as such, require that my pro audio external card work > well, and at all supported bitrates. > > I am currently running a retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium,? but am at > the point where I am tired of fighting.? Here's the issue:? I have an > external hd,? which I use to store music, movies, backups, and my own > musical creations.? Every time I attempt to copy files to one folder or > another, I am required to answer a UAC prompt, or frankly ANY file > operations.? To say that the Windows security model is obscure would be an > understatement,? as many times today I was wishing I could just open an > xterm and chmod everything to 777 and be done with it. > > So, my humble request is thus:? I enjoy using Linux(prefer Ubuntu) as an > everyday OS,? but I need to be able to use a few different win32 programs > that I would not want to relegate to Wine(and I don't think they would work > well anyway). > > I would need help coming up with a plan,? possibly including winxp seamless > mode or something in vmware. > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > Anthony Passonno > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xp-mode-ubuntu,2434.html?xtmc=linux_xp_virtual&xtcr=1 MAY be what you're looking for. However I highly recommend demoing Linux off of a live cd first so that you can get an idea for how well your hardware is supported. Unless you have a /lot/ of memory you won't get typical performance, but you should be able to see if your hardware works, or more easily obtain a list of your hardware (lspci and lsusb come standard and produce easy to read output; there are other programs that do similar things under windows, but I can't remember them off the top of my head). From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 17:56:18 2010 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Mon Jan 11 18:58:45 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4BD6C2.6070007@gmail.com> Anthony Passonno wrote: > Hi there, > > I have been(not currently) a Linux user for probably the better part > of ten years, off and on, and I would like to request some assistance. > > I am a musician, and as such, require that my pro audio external card > work well, and at all supported bitrates. > > I am currently running a retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium, but > am at the point where I am tired of fighting. Here's the issue: I > have an external hd, which I use to store music, movies, backups, and > my own musical creations. Every time I attempt to copy files to one > folder or another, I am required to answer a UAC prompt, or frankly > ANY file operations. To say that the Windows security model is > obscure would be an understatement, as many times today I was wishing > I could just open an xterm and chmod everything to 777 and be done > with it. > > So, my humble request is thus: I enjoy using Linux(prefer Ubuntu) as > an everyday OS, but I need to be able to use a few different win32 > programs that I would not want to relegate to Wine(and I don't think > they would work well anyway). > > I would need help coming up with a plan, possibly including winxp > seamless mode or something in vmware. > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > Anthony Passonno > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general you have already basically covered the bases. Wine or some sort of virtualization. Either way you will have to work through a compatibility layer, the Wine compatibility layer is smaller then a virtualized machine but this means not including some things nor having a full windows environment. There is also Cedega if you want to pay for what is basically wine. From dereks at realloc.net Mon Jan 11 18:18:09 2010 From: dereks at realloc.net (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Mon Jan 11 19:00:05 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4BDBE1.1020609@realloc.net> Step 1: Try to use native Linux apps wherever possible. This may be a good place to start: http://UbuntuStudio.org/ Step 2: I recommend VirtualBox for desktop virtualization. It's free, cross platform, and it works well. You'll need to play with it to see if there are any hardware compatibility issues. I use it to run Ubuntu on a Windows workstation (under duress), and I can play MP3s and Oggs quite well. It also supports OpenGL hardware accelleration. I don't know if it can support your external audio hardware. http://www.VirtualBox.org/ You can also try KVM, using libvirt and virt-manager. (I use KVM for all my server virtualization.) KVM now has PCI-passthrough support, which could be useful if your audio equipment hooks up through a PCI card. Note, if your workstation does not have a processor with virtualization support, you may get choppy sound when dealing with audio codecs. You'll need to try it and see. Step 3: ...There is no step 3! :) Please let us know how it goes. --Derek On 01/11/2010 05:33 PM, Anthony Passonno wrote: > Hi there, > > I have been(not currently) a Linux user for probably the better part > of ten years, off and on, and I would like to request some assistance. > > I am a musician, and as such, require that my pro audio external card > work well, and at all supported bitrates. > > I am currently running a retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium, but > am at the point where I am tired of fighting. Here's the issue: I > have an external hd, which I use to store music, movies, backups, and > my own musical creations. Every time I attempt to copy files to one > folder or another, I am required to answer a UAC prompt, or frankly > ANY file operations. To say that the Windows security model is > obscure would be an understatement, as many times today I was wishing > I could just open an xterm and chmod everything to 777 and be done > with it. > > So, my humble request is thus: I enjoy using Linux(prefer Ubuntu) as > an everyday OS, but I need to be able to use a few different win32 > programs that I would not want to relegate to Wine(and I don't think > they would work well anyway). > > I would need help coming up with a plan, possibly including winxp > seamless mode or something in vmware. > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > Anthony Passonno > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4877c76c1001111854s215ca447w62ab9a2865255c27@mail.gmail.com> References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> <4877c76c1001111854s215ca447w62ab9a2865255c27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4C0199.7010705@gmail.com> Michael Evans wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Anthony Passonno wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> I have been(not currently) a Linux user for probably the better part of ten >> years, off and on, and I would like to request some assistance. >> >> I am a musician, and as such, require that my pro audio external card work >> well, and at all supported bitrates. >> >> I am currently running a retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium, but am at >> the point where I am tired of fighting. Here's the issue: I have an >> external hd, which I use to store music, movies, backups, and my own >> musical creations. Every time I attempt to copy files to one folder or >> another, I am required to answer a UAC prompt, or frankly ANY file >> operations. To say that the Windows security model is obscure would be an >> understatement, as many times today I was wishing I could just open an >> xterm and chmod everything to 777 and be done with it. >> >> So, my humble request is thus: I enjoy using Linux(prefer Ubuntu) as an >> everyday OS, but I need to be able to use a few different win32 programs >> that I would not want to relegate to Wine(and I don't think they would work >> well anyway). >> >> I would need help coming up with a plan, possibly including winxp seamless >> mode or something in vmware. >> >> Any advice? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anthony Passonno >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> >> > > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xp-mode-ubuntu,2434.html?xtmc=linux_xp_virtual&xtcr=1 > MAY be what you're looking for. > > However I highly recommend demoing Linux off of a live cd first so > that you can get an idea for how well your hardware is supported. > Unless you have a /lot/ of memory you won't get typical performance, > but you should be able to see if your hardware works, or more easily > obtain a list of your hardware (lspci and lsusb come standard and > produce easy to read output; there are other programs that do similar > things under windows, but I can't remember them off the top of my > head). > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > First off let me make a correction, you will get a typical or even better performance with the some ram, 512-1024 MB of PC1600 or better does me just fine. In fact I just boosted up to 1.5 GB of ddr-333 and saw no performance difference, in fact my ram really never peaks over 600 MB. It's mainly the CPU that gets me. Just be prepared to have 'flash' in a web browser take up a lot more of your CPU... Compared to a windows machine, no matter what flash I seem to use I can't get it to decently treat my cpu. I digressed, anyways I only see a problem if you have things like microphones, webcams or wireless internet, other hardware always seems to have enough support as long as its a desktop you are working off of. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20100111/75643f1f/attachment.html From jamesaffeld at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 23:56:47 2010 From: jamesaffeld at yahoo.com (James Affeld) Date: Tue Jan 12 00:00:25 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] 3 ENE positions at F5 are open Message-ID: <323953.40747.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Happy New-ish Year! Due to promotions and lateral moves, we have 3-5 ENE positions open. http://www.f5.com/about/careers/us-openings.html Contact me for the inside dope; we're looking for folks who know networks and linux. I can help with your interview prep to earn that referral bonus...(all legit) If you know anybody looking on the East Coast we have one open for anywhere over there, plus one specifically for NYC. The other positions are here in Seattle. Thanks! From chuckw at quantumlinux.com Tue Jan 12 09:05:52 2010 From: chuckw at quantumlinux.com (Chuck Wolber) Date: Tue Jan 12 09:02:26 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Anthony Passonno wrote: [...] > Any advice? This will probably sound like a troll, but for anyone who knows me, it is the furthest thing... Unless your time is cheap, or you are dogmatically idealistic, get a Mac and a copy of the Pro version of Logic Studio. You can have a professional recording system set up and working in less than a day. Any time you spend after that is time spent learning the software. I was in the Mac store this last weekened and was blown away to see how far Logic Studio has come. Apparently the current version comes with one of "The Killers" latest songs. Every track, instrument, rythm, timing, etc is carefully laid out in a click and drag interface. It is the closest thing to musical "source code" I have ever seen. Once you have created beautiful music, upload it to your Linux server so the rest of us can enjoy it. ..Ch:W.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com | "An idea does not gain Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. | truth as it gains ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology | followers." Amanda Bloom From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 10:00:37 2010 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Tue Jan 12 09:57:29 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4CB8C5.2000503@gmail.com> Chuck Wolber wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Anthony Passonno wrote: > > [...] > > >> Any advice? >> > > This will probably sound like a troll, but for anyone who knows me, it is > the furthest thing... > > Unless your time is cheap, or you are dogmatically idealistic, get a Mac > and a copy of the Pro version of Logic Studio. You can have a professional > recording system set up and working in less than a day. Any time you spend > after that is time spent learning the software. > > I was in the Mac store this last weekened and was blown away to see how > far Logic Studio has come. Apparently the current version comes with one > of "The Killers" latest songs. Every track, instrument, rythm, timing, etc > is carefully laid out in a click and drag interface. It is the closest > thing to musical "source code" I have ever seen. > > Once you have created beautiful music, upload it to your Linux server so > the rest of us can enjoy it. > > ..Ch:W.. > > and if you value your money just download linux or even grab a copy of windows xp from some where and that usually solves people's problem. Windows vista and 7 are still pretty bad compared to xp. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20100112/045a8aac/attachment.htm From chuckw at quantumlinux.com Tue Jan 12 10:05:10 2010 From: chuckw at quantumlinux.com (Chuck Wolber) Date: Tue Jan 12 10:01:42 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: <4B4CB8C5.2000503@gmail.com> References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> <4B4CB8C5.2000503@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, james michael wrote: [...] > and if you value your money just download linux or even grab a copy of > windows xp from some where and that usually solves people's problem. > Windows vista and 7 are still pretty bad compared to xp. Correct, but I want to make sure I was not misunderstood. Futzing around with equipment can be incredibly educational, but it is also time spent away from your real purpose. If you are trying to make money, or produce great art, you are not doing that while you are trying to get your equipment working. This is why (when asked) I currently recommend a Mac for the desktop and Linux for the server. ..Ch:W.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com | "An idea does not gain Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. | truth as it gains ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology | followers." Amanda Bloom From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 10:10:40 2010 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Tue Jan 12 10:07:30 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> <4B4CB8C5.2000503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4CBB20.4020203@gmail.com> Chuck Wolber wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, james michael wrote: > > [...] > > >> and if you value your money just download linux or even grab a copy of >> windows xp from some where and that usually solves people's problem. >> Windows vista and 7 are still pretty bad compared to xp. >> > > Correct, but I want to make sure I was not misunderstood. Futzing around > with equipment can be incredibly educational, but it is also time spent > away from your real purpose. If you are trying to make money, or produce > great art, you are not doing that while you are trying to get your > equipment working. This is why (when asked) I currently recommend a Mac > for the desktop and Linux for the server. > > ..Ch:W.. > > Why not just suggest windows xp, its decently priced and about the same results occur. From andrew at becherer.org Tue Jan 12 10:35:41 2010 From: andrew at becherer.org (Andrew Becherer) Date: Tue Jan 12 10:39:19 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: <4B4CBB20.4020203@gmail.com> References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> <4B4CB8C5.2000503@gmail.com> <4B4CBB20.4020203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:10 AM, james michael wrote: > Chuck Wolber wrote: >> >> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, james michael wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> and if you value your money just download linux or even grab a copy of >>> windows xp from some where and that usually solves people's problem. Windows >>> vista and 7 are still pretty bad compared to xp. >>> >> >> Correct, but I want to make sure I was not misunderstood. Futzing around >> with equipment can be incredibly educational, but it is also time spent away >> from your real purpose. > > Why not just suggest windows xp, its decently priced and about the same > results occur. Because Chuck is making a claim that Logic Studio is the best in breed music production application. It is his assertion that while similar results may be possible on other platforms, the ease with which music can be produced using Logic Studio ensures that for all but the most advanced Linux users the time/money trade-off falls in favor of using Logic Studio. By advocating Logic Studio Chuck is advocating the use of an Apple Macintosh. Chuck's argument is an example of Linux Torvald's oft quoted advice to use the "best tool for the job." In this case the "best" tool may be proprietary. -- Andrew Becherer From chuckw at quantumlinux.com Tue Jan 12 11:07:39 2010 From: chuckw at quantumlinux.com (Chuck Wolber) Date: Tue Jan 12 11:04:12 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: <4B4CBB20.4020203@gmail.com> References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> <4B4CB8C5.2000503@gmail.com> <4B4CBB20.4020203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, james michael wrote: > > Correct, but I want to make sure I was not misunderstood. Futzing > > around with equipment can be incredibly educational, but it is also > > time spent away from your real purpose. If you are trying to make > > money, or produce great art, you are not doing that while you are > > trying to get your equipment working. This is why (when asked) I > > currently recommend a Mac for the desktop and Linux for the server. > > Why not just suggest windows xp, its decently priced and about the same > results occur. I am not sure how that can be said. Granted, WinXP has been Microsoft's best OS release to date (I have not yet tried Windows 7), it still requires its fair share of time-consuming voodoo. Other than regular updates and occasional hardware upgrades, I have never had to do any sort of maintenance on the Mac workstations within my orbit. They are also POSIX based, so anytime I want to do something out of the ordinary, it is fairly trivial to apply my Linux/Unix expertise. Honestly, everything just works consistently without requiring voodoo. Also, FWIW, once you have the Apple hardware, you can run WinXP on the bare metal quite well (including right-clicking with the mouse, etc). ..Ch:W.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com | "An idea does not gain Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. | truth as it gains ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology | followers." Amanda Bloom From chuckw at quantumlinux.com Tue Jan 12 11:14:33 2010 From: chuckw at quantumlinux.com (Chuck Wolber) Date: Tue Jan 12 11:11:08 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> <4B4CB8C5.2000503@gmail.com> <4B4CBB20.4020203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Andrew Becherer wrote: [...] > Chuck's argument is an example of Linux Torvald's oft quoted advice to > use the "best tool for the job." In this case the "best" tool may be > proprietary. Yes, that was during the BitKeeper era. I am not shy about admitting that seeing him do that had a great affect on me for the better. Idealism is noble, but it has its costs. A corollary is to point out that I would dump Apple products in a heartbeat if I was convinced that something could do the job better. For now though, Apple on the desktop and Linux in the datacenter just works. ..Ch:W.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com | "An idea does not gain Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. | truth as it gains ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology | followers." Amanda Bloom From sjbenner at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 10:57:55 2010 From: sjbenner at gmail.com (Josh Benner) Date: Tue Jan 12 11:18:42 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] Disgruntled and Ready? In-Reply-To: References: <4473e8221001111733j7d2d507eo8c73ffd3a68dabee@mail.gmail.com> <4B4CB8C5.2000503@gmail.com> <4B4CBB20.4020203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b044f781001121057r627cbfa2sfe023cf32b9eef6@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Becherer wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:10 AM, james michael > wrote: > > Chuck Wolber wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, james michael wrote: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >>> and if you value your money just download linux or even grab a copy of > >>> windows xp from some where and that usually solves people's problem. > Windows > >>> vista and 7 are still pretty bad compared to xp. > >>> > >> > >> Correct, but I want to make sure I was not misunderstood. Futzing around > >> with equipment can be incredibly educational, but it is also time spent > away > >> from your real purpose. > > > > Why not just suggest windows xp, its decently priced and about the same > > results occur. > > Because Chuck is making a claim that Logic Studio is the best in breed > music production application. It is his assertion that while similar > results may be possible on other platforms, the ease with which music > can be produced using Logic Studio ensures that for all but the most > advanced Linux users the time/money trade-off falls in favor of using > Logic Studio. By advocating Logic Studio Chuck is advocating the use > of an Apple Macintosh. > > Chuck's argument is an example of Linux Torvald's oft quoted advice to > use the "best tool for the job." In this case the "best" tool may be > proprietary. > > -- > Andrew Becherer > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > I agree that his needs might be better served by investing $1000+ in Apple hardware and proprietary software. But Anthony's original 'humble request' was: > I enjoy using Linux(prefer Ubuntu) as an everyday OS, but I need to be able to use a few different win32 programs that I would not want to relegate to Wine(and I don't think they would work well anyway). Running VirtualBox on Ubuntu with the audio packages or UbuntuStudio might be a good solution in this case. I personally use a standard Ubuntu installation and add the UbuntuStudio audio packages separately. VirtualBox (open source edition) works well for an xp host that I need for work purposes. -- Josh Benner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20100112/a329073f/attachment.html From mark at foster.cc Sun Jan 17 09:53:00 2010 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Jan 17 09:50:05 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] video clips from last meeting (2010-01-09) now available Message-ID: <4B534E7C.60900@foster.cc> I have posted links to the videos here... http://www.gslug.org/wiki/index.php/Meeting_2010-01-09 -- I hate racists. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://www.freegeekseattle.org/ From william at gslug.org Fri Jan 22 11:31:39 2010 From: william at gslug.org (William Hale) Date: Fri Jan 22 11:28:49 2010 Subject: [Gslug-general] February 2010 GSLUG Meeting Message-ID: The next Greater Seattle Linux User Group (GSLUG) meeting is on Saturday, February 13th @ 12 noon. The meeting location will be the Google offices in Fremont. Follow the URL below for more details. http://www.gslug.org/wiki/index.php/Meeting_2010-02-13 This months topic will be Contributions. We will be having a special guest, Brian Murray, who manages the Ubuntu Bug Squad and Bug Control teams. He will be discussing Bug Triaging. Please RSVP if you will attend & sign up for a talk if there is something you'd like to share with the group. Hope to see you there! -- William Utinam me logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant.